it's horrified the west, everyone except perhaps russia. >> most military experts agree if the west wanted to help, they would impose a no-fly zone, not allow syrian helicopters to bomb. >> the white house isn't there yet. >> the president is defiantly not there. he seems to see syria -- he might not be wrong. he sees it as insoluble. you can't solve it. the american public is not interested. you see this in poll after poll. they are not interested in getting deeper into it than we already are. there's no pressure on the administration except from the syrian rebels to do anything. >> and from john mccain and former senator kerry. and others. he wasn't as forward leaning as mccain and others. in the senate we are arguing we had to rethink this. hillary clinton and leon panetta and chairman dempsey and others argued and the president rejected it. >> that's the governoring reality. john kerry wants to do x, y and z but he works for the president now. i don't think you are going to see that much different. you are going to see the seron rebels getting something from america where they used to